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CESM/WACCM in 'NWP mode'

Has anyone had experience with, or could tell me what are the practical considerations for running a CESM configuration (in particular , F_2000_WACCM) in 'NWP mode,' i.e., in a short-term (6 - 72 hr), real-time environment?

George
 

santos

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I don't know off the top of my head whether anyone is trying this, but one thing I want to mention is that WACCM4 does not necessarily converge to reasonable behavior at very short time steps and/or high resolution, especially without tuning. For instance, the CAM4 tropospheric cloud physics only works properly over a limited range of time scales.
 
Sean,Thank you for that information. I am aware of some recommended changes to the vertical localization and divergence dampling suggested by Pedatella et al. However, I am unaware of the issue with tropospheric cloud physics.George
 

santos

Member
Just to be clear, that is not so much an issue if you are not changing the timestep or resolution much. If you just want to continuously do short-term forecasts from data coming in in real time, but sticking with the typical time/length scales, that won't encounter the same issues, and I've learned that there are some people who do something similar for CAM. But it's hard to say without knowing more about what you want to accomplish.If you are running something closer to a typical WACCM case (2 deg, 1/2 hour physics time step), the main challenge will be continually creating new initial conditions from data coming in. Such data will typically not have all of the variables necessary to initialize the model (especially for WACCM). Furthermore if you simply interpolate the dynamical variables (wind speed, temperature) onto a given grid, this will typically be very noisy, and may even cause dynamical instability that crashes the model. So you have to work out how to get reasonably self-consistent initial conditions with a minimum of "spin-up" time. You may want to consider using specified chemistry instead of the full model, since this is cheaper and may be simpler to prepare input data for.
 
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